Sunday, November 20, 2005

Nagging Thoughts for 11/20

Remember when you could HURT Wolverine?

How does a FORCE blast like Cyclops' beam NOT hurt Havok? How does being a guy's brother protect you from a FORCE beam?

Do they leave a cell phone in Jean Grey's coffin?

Whose ashes did Kitty spread? What about THAT person's family? Or was it just a fake Colossus?

Was the whole "invisible to machinery" thing ever addressed? Or was it just dropped without an explanation?

Why doesn't Kitty Pryde wear a costume?

Is she still using Shadowcat as a name?

Does Nocturne know that, in this reality, her mother went nuts and killed some folk?

5 Comments:

Anonymous Brian (not Cronin) said...

Actually, I always thought that one of the worst examples of Wolverine abuse took place in in the Claremont/Byrne era, in X-Men 133, right at the beginning of the Phoenix saga. Dude gets shot point-blank and gets up a minute later. Yeah, there's some dialog about "good thing I twisted away at the last second," but Wolverine used to be able to take a bullet and get right back up. Not that this makes his abuse at the hands of later writers any better (X-Jet crashes, everyone is fine, except for Wolverine, who has a big chunk of metal through his abdomen).

It's really best not to think too much about Cyclops' force beam. It doesn't hold up to even the most casual scientific analysis.

Kitty isn't wearing a costume? She looks to me like she is in Whedon's Astonishing. It looks an awful lot like the standard training outfit, but she's never had much luck with costumes. And I think she is officially calling herself Shadowcat still, but everybody else calls her Kitty, just like they always have.

I'm actually hopeful that Claremont will address Nocturne's relationship with Wanda in New Excalibur, since he seems to want to clean up plot threads in that title, and you know how Claremont loves to do the tortured parent/child relationship.

11/21/2005 12:56 PM  
Anonymous Chuck T. said...

Supposedly, Havok and Cyclops can "metabolize" each other's blasts, because they both convert solar energy into power. Yeah, it's dicey, but I think it's funny to watch them blast each other, then resort to fists like good brothers. A better question would be, why is Cyclops thought of as the good brother? Hasn't he abandoned like two kids and two wives?
Kitty's like Beast: smart, cute, funny, seems harmless. Pretty much the poster children for what mutants want to be.
While I kinda like Nocturne, how many alternate timeline kids do we need?

11/23/2005 12:47 AM  
Anonymous Brian (not Cronin) said...

The problem with Nocturne is that she was excellent in Exiles, so Marvel couldn't just leave her where she was. She's a character type not often seen in the X-Books: the well-adjusted mutant. Grew up in a nice reality, with a huge, loving family, went to a non-mutant high school...she's living the dream! It's a shame we have too many other reality-displaced characters, because I'll take Nocturne over Bishop any day.

11/23/2005 7:35 AM  
Blogger Dan said...

Super geek alert!
I have a vague recollection that some "major" X Event addressed the invisible to machinery thing. YOu;re talking about what came form the Siege Perilous, right?
Maybe when they restarted all the books after the last big cross over I read in the 90s but can't remember very well? Maybe not...

At the time I liked the Siege Perilous thing. Now I think I may have been a dumb kid.

11/27/2005 2:09 AM  
Blogger Chris Arndt said...

Kitty spred Piotr's ashes, I believe. I think Piotr's mind was swapped out of the body at some point and cloned.

The "invisible to sensory non-human mechanisms" was just dropped but common speculation is that the Siege Perilous did take it away. and why the heck not? It was only a useful and effective plot point when the X-Men were playing dead.

Last I saw Shadowcat still used the name now and again but definitely does wear a boring costume.

Havok metabolizes certain energy waves and beams and transmissions, including that of his genetic counterpart/brother Cyclops. Cyclops absorbs Havoks plasma beams/blasts. The fact that you ask why a force blast doesn't hurt Havok suggests that you haven't asked why Cyclops' optic blast doesn't tear his own head from his shoulders. That question should come first, logically.

There is an answer to it, but it only works in the Marvel Universe, which suggests that the movie has a science mistake type thing.

I remember when you could hurt Wolverine. My question is what is the reasonable distinction between pain and incapacitation. My largest relevent complaint is that it's only recently that Wolverine could regrow limbs and various organs and musculature and stuff. I can accept cellular regeneration over a large surface or biomass but it's not something I wanted to see addressed in a story. The revelation that Wolverine can regrow his eye(s), or the near-entirity of his arm just was something else that killed a little more of the mystery.

BTW, the Wolverine appearance in Ennis's Punisher isn't exactly canonical.

11/28/2005 3:05 PM  

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